A note-for-note transcription book of Px...

[nicho]

Yep, I imagine that this topic has been brought up numerous times here but, there would be really great to see one day a scores book for each Px album!

Will we see that in store one day? :)

[ando]

Yep, I imagine that this topic has been brought up numerous times here but, there would be really great to see one day a scores book for each Px album!

Will we see that in store one day? :)

Not a hope in hell! When members of PX talk about the fact that PX may not continue because it sells in such low numbers, you can be sure that a transcription book would sell far less. They would never make money from a book like that - in fact they would lose plenty of money.

[nicho]

Not a hope in hell! When members of PX talk about the fact that PX may not continue because it sells in such low numbers, you can be sure that a transcription book would sell far less. They would never make money from a book like that - in fact they would lose plenty of money.

Well, I forgot these details... :(
Thanks for answering Ando!

[noble savage]

I would really love a book with all of the keyboard and guitar solos. They are such a pain in the ass to transcribe. I actually really like transcribing music, though. I only wish I had a better grasp of writing out rhythmic notation because, if my transcriptions are as accurate as I hope, they could then pass as a professional job.

It would be cool if Virgil released a few more transcriptions like he did with Ignotus and Snuff. Those where a LOT of help!

[progmetalpilgrim]

I'd love to get such a book, but unfortunately I think its unlikely...

[t0ccata]

I thoroughly agree that px would lose money on a transcription book, but are times really that hard and does everything have to be a corporate exercise???
I whole heartedly believe there is a moral obligation to publish this music, as it's pushing the boundaries of modern music and virtuosity in an era where musicality has falled to the way side for commercialism!
Understanding/studying these innovative compositions, allows popularity to inevitably grow and as modern radio music pushes away real and educated musicians, i think cult popularity will grow as more generations are brought up with more diverse mediums such as the internet and less beholdent to the radio and MTV....
I would donate money to this fund... if you ever read this Derek

[korgman]

In my opinion as a guitarist a transcription book of Tony's solos would be sufficient ;) Most of the time they're the hardest to find out.

[Iros X]

Not a hope in hell! When members of PX talk about the fact that PX may not continue because it sells in such low numbers, you can be sure that a transcription book would sell far less. They would never make money from a book like that - in fact they would lose plenty of money.

Virgil have released books and dvds himself, I think he can do a PX thing like this, but promoting himself, in his drums transcription book, he present a LOT OF THE PX SONGS, but only Drums :D, in fact, there are some notes transcription in the bass and treble clef thou, to understand rhythmic things I guess. Maybe it can't be a possibility, maybe in the future, maybe the book can be fanmade and authorized by them, who the hell knows...lol

[ando]

Dreaming, Iros, you're dreaming...;)

Seriously, the reason you can't compare Virgil to Tony is that Virgil is one of the few drummers with a long history of teaching who instructs very advanced techniques in books and CDs and has recorded music which demonstrates it.

Tony is not really a teacher like Virgil, and there are thousands of guitarists giving lessons - most of them free lessons. The market just isn't there. Tony is reluctant at best to engage with his fans so he certainly isn't about to start teaching en masse or producing unprofitable transcription books just to help you out. Guitar stuff is easier to figure out than Virgil's drumming, that's why people will spend money to get the inside scoop and have it demystified. Don't forget that Virgil is generally seen as the master of progressive power drumming - that's the big selling point of his teaching material. Tony, whilst he's a great player, is one of many doing what he does. It's not that hard to figure out what he's doing - even though it's hard to actually do it.

Besides, transcriptions are overrated, you can have it in front of you and still not be able to play it. You learn more by studying the music from your own perspective and learning your own ways to get certain sounds - that way you don't become a clone, you develop your own style, phrasing and technique.

It's got to the point where I don't transcribe for people anymore. I'll do a harmonic analysis if somebody really begs me, but transcriptions just don't interest me. I don't find it hard to do, I just think they are a waste of time.

[grohm]

agree to almost every point Ando, with the exception of "Guitar stuff is easier to figure out than Virgil's drumming"

For me it's way more difficult to figure out tonys solo playing than Virgils Drumming. I play both instruments (as you do) and even though i played guitar for almost a decade and only some month of drums, i'd prefer to listen out Virg's drumming over tonys solos any day if i had to choose. I think it's different for everybody and that's why the sentence bugged me a little :)

You could also slowdown the songs to a certain speed which makes it easier to pick out the drums. But with the guitar? it gets all stretched/distored and makes it even harder to figure it out if you go below 80% of the original speed

[ando]

agree to almost every point Ando, with the exception of "Guitar stuff is easier to figure out than Virgil's drumming"

For me it's way more difficult to figure out tonys solo playing than Virgils Drumming. I play both instruments (as you do) and even though i played guitar for almost a decade and only some month of drums, i'd prefer to listen out Virg's drumming over tonys solos any day if i had to choose. I think it's different for everybody and that's why the sentence bugged me a little :)

You could also slowdown the songs to a certain speed which makes it easier to pick out the drums. But with the guitar? it gets all stretched/distored and makes it even harder to figure it out if you go below 80% of the original speed

That's true that in a groove or breakdown, you could probably hear a lot more of individual drum strikes more easily if you slowed it down, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's clear how it is played. One of the things I discovered as I practised drums was that there was more than one way to play the same patterns. I always tended to use what was easiest for me but when you study what Virgil does (it was seeing Virgil do clinics and videos that alerted me to this) there are things you couldn't possibly know just by listening to it or writing it down. Things like leading hands and paradiddles. Virgil's paradiddle patterns are insanely complex and I think to play like Virgil with the same accents and phrasing, you need to see how Virgil approaches it. Of course, this argument is the same as I used for Tony Mac - you could just listen to it and figure out your own approach to get the get effect - something I would certainly recommend to any musician. I think there are times when Virgil is going crazy in an improvisation or an outro and his hands are a blur - you couldn't possibly hear every sound he's making, no matter how much you slow it down. What's more, it's deliberately impossible to separate the notes - it's more of a sonic mist.

I find Tony to be a sonically clear player - he isn't one of those guys with a baffling approach. You always have a fair idea what his hands are doing when he plays. Of course there are always a few notes that are too fast/soft to pick out, but you hear his phrases and intentions more easily than many guitarists. Also, he doesn't play very chromatically most of the time, so you hear the modal steps and arpeggiated notes. Contrast that to guys like Holdsworth. I don't even bother trying to imagine what his hands are doing because it's so unique. For a guy like that, I have no ambition to copy it, so I just listen to it musically but not technically. I actually like being in the dark about some music.

Anyway, that's just my take. As I said, I don't get much pleasure out of copying players these days. I feel most alive and accomplished when I am making my own innovations.

[grohm]

absolutely, i think we are pretty much one the same page :)
figuring out what tony´s doing is quite accessible because its so clear and modal, as you say. but hearing and trying to play, thats a different world to me. same for holdsworth. i actually developed the same approach for most technically (and musically) advanced musicians....im not even bothering to analyse it too much. im already happy if i have a vague idea of whats going on and just enjoy what i hear. i definitely prefer that way of listening music. Since i started listening like this, i also noticed that a homogenous (i hope that word exists...) sound has become very important for my ear.

i actually never really enjoyed playing covers or figuring out songs. in my beginning days, it was enough for me to get a specific riff or technique out of that riff but i never cared to play a whole song or more than a couple of riffs i heard. and why should i play stuff that exists if i can invent some of my own :D

and for virgils playing....im not even i a state where i would think about analyse his playing yet. at the moment im only enjoying listening and the more i play drums and listen to him, the more i get aware of how much practice awaits me....:eek:

[ando]

Good quality Midi files of planet x songs will be fine for me

Well, you better get to work then. Good quality MIDI files don't make themselves you know...;)

[Shep]

I've done a few Bass and Keys transcriptions of Planet X tunes, such as Europa and Noble Savage, however, while a Planet X song book would be great for those times when you're really stuck, i think it's important to transcribe things for yourself. You get better at it pretty quickly, it certainly makes you a better musician and it gives you a better ear.

As for solo's, sometimes they can be a bit over the top, so instead of copying it out note for note, try to replicate the occasional line that you like, then once you can play it, reproduce it with your own style and make it your own. Once you do that, you can play those lines in other songs and stlyes just by changing the feel or a few notes. But make sure you make the line your own, as no one likes a copy cat.

[frank]

What ?

[Shep]

he makes a valid point . . . . .

[moefunk]

Longcat tacgnoL?

I'm beginning to suspect you are a bot after all... Damn, those next generation bots are getting pretty clever!

[grohm]

What ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/legbamel/Dont_feed_the_troll.jpg

[moefunk]

Cmon , I was not trolling , Its just the Longcat http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/longcat You should know more about the internet culture and memes :D

OK - so I had a look, but I still fail to see the relevance of Longcat for any of this thread.../ unless it was triggered by the phrase "copy cat" - in which case your post was just silly, and still had little relevance to the thread ;)

[frank]

You don't. It's prohibited for users who have not been a member here for over one year.

[Xanatos]

Ok no problem , hey can i make a question , why all my previous post , had been erased!?

[Xanatos]

THis is some kind of frank/planetxocracy??

[frank]

Xanatos, I sent you an email about this yesterday, to the email address you registered with.

Something has gone terribly wrong when I was deleting spam. I accidently also clicked your post and then deleted all of them, which is an easy function for me to erase a lot of spam when necessary. The thing is that this is easily done when a user has 50 posts or less. You had 42 or something and the moment I clicked I was freaking out. I banned you in the process, then quickly unbanned you, sent you an email and contacted Christopher, the administrator. He said he can't revive your posts since I already deleted them.

I'm terribly sorry for this man, my sincere apologies. I was in a hurry and made a huge mistake. This will never happen again, I promise.

:(

[Xanatos]

no problem man , i forgive you , i didnt check my email since a long time i will do it now! , Still i cant believe this! , who will say i am an accidental bot XD

[frank]

Haha. I'm very glad you're taking this so lightly. I could understand it if you would be very pissed of. Once again, this was all a huge mistake.

[moefunk]

(...)who will say i am an accidental bot XD

I will, if you ask me nicely...:D

[Xanatos]

Haha. I'm very glad you're taking this so lightly. I could understand it if you would be very pissed of. Once again, this was all a huge mistake.

Actually, now i am pissed off , why did ando close my thread? I dont understand! I was going to make a list of the already made px midis that i hardly found in the @ ...

[ando]

Actually, now i am pissed off , why did ando close my thread? I dont understand! I was going to make a list of the already made px midis that i hardly found in the @ ...

You are welcome to make a thread in the General Chat section about Midis you have found or made. The thread in the Ask PX section was closed because it was unreasonably demanding of Derek and because the conversation had drawn to a close.

[moefunk]

Awww Frank, why did you have to make Ando a mod? I was doing such a good job catching up to his postcount, but now that he's modding, I don't ever see myself overtaking him. That is, unless I were to start "going Grohm", and do three consecutive replies in one thread instead of just editing the first one... :p

[frank]

Because Ando is the next best thing since sliced bread.

[grohm]

Awww Frank, why did you have to make Ando a mod? I was doing such a good job catching up to his postcount, but now that he's modding, I don't ever see myself overtaking him. That is, unless I were to start "going Grohm", and do three consecutive replies in one thread instead of just editing the first one... :p

going grohm. LOL. awesome :cool:

[grohm]

Because Ando is the next best thing since sliced bread.

but sliced bread sucks. it tastes bad and dries out way too fast if its not pumped up with chemicals

[grohm]

goin grohm again :D

[ando]

but sliced bread sucks. it tastes bad and dries out way too fast if its not pumped up with chemicals

Hey man, thanks for the compliment....:p

[ando]

Awww Frank, why did you have to make Ando a mod? I was doing such a good job catching up to his postcount, but now that he's modding, I don't ever see myself overtaking him. That is, unless I were to start "going Grohm", and do three consecutive replies in one thread instead of just editing the first one... :p

You've been catching me at the rate of about 15 posts per month for about 2 years. You're like a patient stalker. I don't think I can think of enough things to say to stop you catching me eventually.

[ando]

goin grohm again :D

You're Grohmtacular.


Oh no, I'm starting to grohm myself.....

[moefunk]

You're Grohmtacular.


Oh no, I'm starting to grohm myself.....

I move we change Ben's nickname to Smurf. Can anyone second? :D

[moefunk]

Because Ando is the next best thing since sliced bread.

I think sliced bread is overrated. Don't know why people go on about it the way they do. Now, self-slicing bread, that's another story altogether. I could see my self getting a bit excited about that!

[moefunk]

How's this for Grohming - am I doing it right?

[ando]

How's this for Grohming - am I doing it right?

I think you are, but with all this denigration of sliced bread, I'm starting to look pretty average....

[moefunk]

Don't worry Andy - you can be the thickest slice. Hope that helps :p...

Edit: Hey, this can be your avatar Ando!

http://www.pkmeco.com/images/bread1.jpg

[ando]

Don't worry Andy - you can be the thickest slice. Hope that helps :p...

Edit: Hey, this can be your avatar Ando!


But he isn't sliced! But then again, maybe he can't be sliced since it is the best thing since sliced bread. Wouldn't it be funny if it was identified that the best thing since sliced bread was unsliced bread? After all this time looking for great things, the answer was in the bread all along...;)

[frank]

How can unsliced bread be the best thing since sliced bread if I already proclaimed you as the best thing since sliced bread?

This can only lead to one conclusion. You're an unsliced bread! :eek:

[ando]

How can unsliced bread be the best thing since sliced bread if I already proclaimed you as the best thing since sliced bread?

This can only lead to one conclusion. You're an unsliced bread! :eek:

I know, one can only conclude that mankind should never have sliced bread in the first place!

I think this metaphor has reached breaking point....



It's all Moe's fault... :p

[frank]

So the valuable lessons learned here are that people should stop slicing bread and stop listening to Moefunk. So, less slicing, Lessfunk. :D

[moefunk]

No, I think the conclusion needs to be that we're all finally agreeing that sliced bread wasn't all that flash to begin with. Heck, just about anything that came after it was better.

So Moefunk was right all along. Thanks for being such an appreciative audience.:p

[frank]

Sure, I can acknowledge that, you're right about sliced bread. No need to be Grohming about it though. Even sliced bread can not excuse a man from Grohming himself in public freely! :D

[moefunk]

(...)Even sliced bread can not excuse a man from Grohming himself in public freely! :D

Oh, I agree, in fact using sliced bread to Grohm yourself in public is not only potentially very embarrassing (no matter how good it might be), but probably illegal in most places.

You know what they use a slice of bread for in the marines, don't you?:eek:

[ando]

You know what they use a slice of bread for in the marines, don't you?

I've got a bad feeling I do... It's not like the German Kekse game by any chance, is it?

With that game the emotions progress in this order for the loser: :confused:.............:eek:............... :o

While the non-losers do this:........ :p

[moefunk]

I've got a bad feeling I do... It's not like the German Kekse game by any chance, is it?

With that game the emotions progress in this order for the loser: :confused:.............:eek:............... :o

While the non-losers do this:........ :p

Looks like we're talking about the same sort of thing here Ando. Now if only we had a smiley called ":hurl"...